Peace and War:
- AP/Myway: U.S. Plans Heavy Bombing Campaign in Iraq
- WASHINGTON (AP) – U.S. forces would hit Iraq with 10 times as many bombs in the opening days of an air campaign as in the 1991 Gulf War in an assault meant to “shock and awe” Iraqi defenders, officials said Wednesday.
Many more of the bombs would be guided by lasers or satellite signals, too, adding to accuracy, one official said.
“Shock and awe” should be called “American crimes against humanity.” The degree of destruction in the first Gulf War was horrible beyond comprehension. If ten times the number of munitions will be used, the number of civilian casulties could number into the hundreds of thousands.
- The official, who discussed U.S. bomb targeting techniques on condition he not be further identified, contended that because of the greater reliance on precision-guided weapons, civilian casualties could be lower than the estimated 3,000 in the 1991 war.
This is an outright lie. Not counting later casualties that resulted fromt the American destruction of Iraqi water treatment plants (including many babies who died from drinking contaminated water), likely ten times that many civilians died. (I will post a source on this number later.)
- NY Times: Diplomatic Lines Harden Before Crucial U.N. Meeting on Friday – Yea for France, Russia and Germany! I’m glad to see at least a few countries are doing the right thing here.
- Charlie Daniels has issued an inflamatory pro-war statement that I want to respond to. His statement will be shown in red typeface, my comments are in black.
- Subject: Charlie Daniels’ Open Letter to the Hollywood Bunch
OK — Let’s just say for a moment you bunch of pampered, overpaid, unrealistic children had your way and the U.S.A. didn’t go into Iraq.
Let’s say that you really get your way and we destroy all our nuclear weapons and stick daisies in our gun barrels and sit around with some white wine and cheese and pat ourselves on the back, so proud of what we’ve done for world peace.
Let’s say that we cut the military budget to just enough to keep the National Guard on hand to help out with floods and fires.
Let’s say that we close down our military bases all over the world and bring the troops home, increase our foreign aid and drop all the trade sanctions against everybody.
I suppose that in your fantasy world this would create a utopian world where everybody would live in peace. After all, the great monster, the United States of America, the cause of all the world’s trouble would have disbanded it’s horrible military and certainly all the other countries of the world would follow suit.
After all, they only arm themselves to defend their countries from the mean old U.S.A.
While I’m all for working towards the utopia that you so eloquently describe, I don’t think your being fair about the politcal views of anti-war folks. We do not believe the USA is “the cause of all of the world’s troubles.” We certainly bear our share of the blame but neither are we the only guilt ones.
- Why you bunch of pitiful, hypocritical, idiotic, spoiled mugwumps. Get your head out of the sand and smell the Trade Towers burning.
Do us all (especially the Bush administration) a favor and SHOW us the connection between Saddam and the 9-11 attack. If anything the connection can be found between Saudi Arabia and the terrorists, not Iraq and the terrorists.
- Do you think that a trip to Iraq by Sean Penn did anything but encourage a wanton murderer to think that the people of the U.S.A. didn’t have the nerve or the guts to fight him?
No, it told him that some Americans are really to think for themselves. I don’t know Sean Penn so I won’t defend him, but I do know plenty of courageous men and women who are committed to the cause of peace here in Oklahoma, and believe me they have a lot more guts than you will ever have. It’s easy to speak out when your views are popular. It takes a lot more to speak and act in line with your views, when those views are scorned by the popular media.
- Barbra Streisand’s fanatical and hateful rankings about George Bush makes about as much sense as Michael Jackson hanging a baby over a railing.
You people need to get out of Hollywood once in a while and get out into the real world. You’d be surprised at the hostility you would find out here. Stop in at a truck stop and tell an overworked, long distance truck driver that you don’t think Saddam Hussein is doing anything wrong.
Tell a farmer with a couple of sons in the military that you think the United States has no right to defend itself.
Go down to Baxley, Georgia and hold an anti-war rally and see what the folks down there think about you.
Georgia is a bit far away for me but if it was closer I would be glad to come down to Baxley to rally with peace loving folks there. I would be willing to wager that there would be at least a few of them.
My guess is that Georgia is a bit more liberal than Oklahoma, yet we have peace rallies occuring three times weekly in Oklahoma City, at least once a week in Tulsa, and we are now even doing rallies in small towns. Last week in Shawnee, OK (pop. 20,000 or so) we had a tremendous response with 3/4 of those who responded in some way showing support for us.
Charlie you might be surprised if you come and sit on a small town street corner with us some Saturday. You might find that most folks are against this town.
- You people are some of the most disgusting examples of a waste of protoplasm I’ve ever had the displeasure to hear about.
Sean Penn, you’re a traitor to the United States of America. You gave aid and comfort to the enemy. How many American lives will your little, “fact finding trip” to Iraq cost? You encouraged Saddam to think that we didn’t have the stomach for war.
You people protect one of the most evil men on the face of this earth and won’t lift a finger to save the life of an unborn baby. Freedom of choice you say?
No, Charlie. We “people” (as you refer to us) are not out there agitating for peace for Saddam’s benefit. We’re out there working for peace because we care about the Iraqi people. Fathers, mothers, chidren, grandmas and grandpas, who work hard and love their families, who plant gardens and paint pictures, who sing, who dance, folks who are God-fearing, and maintain hope for democracy and freedom in their country.
Sean Penn is not a traitor for visiting Iraq and reporting on what he saw. He is a hero.
As to the abortion issue, this might be one of the few things you and I will agree on. I’m opposed to all forms of violence and to me abortion often is an act of violence.
My question for you is why are you upset about the killing of unborn babies yet are refusing to “lift one finger” to save the lives of the children of Iraq?
- Well I’m going to exercise some freedom of choice of my own. If I see any of your names on a marquee, I’m going to boycott the movie. I will completely stop going to movies if I have to. In most cases it certainly wouldn’t be much of a loss.
That’s your right and more power to you. I wonder though if you’re going to start boycotting everybody because believe me you might have to boycott most of the world in a years. Most folks around the world think this war is crock, and more and more Americans are waking up to this same realization.
- You scoff at our military whose boots you’re not even worthy to shine. They go to battle and risk their lives so ingrates like you can live in luxury. The day of reckoning is coming when you will be faced with the undeniable truth that the war against Saddam Hussein is the war on terrorism.
America is in imminent danger. You’re either for her or against her. There is no middle ground.
I think we all know where you stand.
I respect those who choose to serve in the military. They’re following their convictions and I commend them for it. But, I’m going to follow mine.
I assure you though. I am “for” America a lot more than you are. The issue here is I expect more of America than this war against this unjust preemptive war against the Iraqi people.
- What do you think?
God Bless America!
Frankly I have my doubts as to whether God will still “bless America” if we engage in unjust wars like this one.
Thanks for making me think Mr. Daniels. If you read this, I hope I made you think.
- San Antonio Express-News: Showing their colors – A story about how that Clear Channel Radio is supporting pro-war pep rallies in San Antonio
- Reuters/MSBNC: Video game no match for fighter pilot’s reality — ‘We don’t get to restart this game’
- Schafer’s two grandfathers both fought in World War Two, serving in the U.S. Navy in the Pacific.
“It seemed much more dramatic for them,” he says. “It was an all-out war. They were actually shooting. My father’s father was a 20 mm gunner on a destroyer. He told me about two Japanese kills he had. One was a kamikaze diving on his ship.”
“It’s nothing like it used to be,” Schafer says. “With the way technology has taken wars, everything is so removed. You drop a bomb, push a button, who knows what happens. We don’t really see any of the horrors of it.”
But the folks on the ground will. They will suffer and bleed and die because of those bombs. We need to realize the cost of war. War is never neat and sanitary. It might seem that way from 20,000 feet up but it never is on the ground.
- KFOR: McAlester, OK plant provides tools for war – Ironic that the city where Oklahoma’s death row is located is also the place where most of the bombs that may soon be dropped on Iraq are made.