Here is something I posted to that I think is relevant to this discussion:

Wash Post: Most Americans Back U.S. Tactics, Poll Finds Little Worry Over Rights – Read this disgusting excerpt:

    “If we keep going the way we’re going with civil liberties, other countries are going to see us as a patsy,” said Marta Salcedo, manager of a dental office in Manhattan. “You have to change with the times.”

    Salcedo said she had little regard for the rights of suspects held in connection with the attacks. “They should torture them,” she said. “Sometimes you have to do things that are uncivilized.”

I am convinced that a sizeable number of Americans are like Ms. Salcedo… pathetic.

These pathetic people are giving “up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety” (in the words of Ben Frankly, see his quote at the top of this page), and “deserve neither liberty or safety. Nor, are they likely to end up with either.”

If the Constitutionally protected due process rights of suspected terrorists are in jeapardy, everyone’s rights are in jeopardy. Here is a quote from a victim of Nazi oppression that says this better than I could:

    First they came for the Jews

    and I did not speak out

    because I was not a Jew.

    Then they came for the Communists

    and I did not speak out

    because I was not a Communist.

    Then they came for the trade unionists

    and I did not speak out

    because I was not a trade unionist.

    Then they came for me

    and there was no one left

    to speak out for me.

    Pastor Martin Niemöller